Kansai-ben Lesson 9 – moute

Posted on 28. Nov, 2006 @ 2:13 pm by harvey in Language, Osaka

Kansai-ben lesson Point 「〜もうて」
A-san is speaking standard Japanese
B-san is speaking Kansai Dialect

〜もうて Usage One (もらった)
A: 見てみて、これ母に作ってもらったの。
B: ええな、いろいろ作ってもうて。

A: Look at this, my mom made this for me.
B: Lucky, getting all that stuff made for you.

A: え!先輩がまたA子の宿題を手伝ってあげてる!
B: ずるい、あんなふうにまたやってもうて。

A: Hey! The the senior is helping A-ko out with her homework again!
B: That’s not fair, getting help again like that.

A: すごい、3000円だった?普段はもっとするじゃないの?
B: せやねん、普段はもっと高いで、これ負けてもうてん!

A: Wow, that was 3000 yen? Normally isn’t it more expensive?
B: Yeah, normally it’s more expensive, but they discounted this for me!

There is another way that this exact same grammar pattern can be used, with different meaning.

〜もうて (しまった)
A: 昨日のニュース見た?野球のこと書いてあった?
B: うん、書いてあったで、阪神がまた負けてもうてん。

A: Did you see the news yesterday? Was baseball in it?
B: Yeah, it was in it. Hanshin lost again…

A: 昨日のパーティは楽しかった?
B: パーティ自体は楽しかったけど、あの嫌なやつがまた来てもうてん。。。
A: あ〜、皆に嫌われている先輩のことか〜。
B: そうそう。あいつ!

A: Was the party yesterday fun?
B: The party itself was fun, but that jerk came again…
A: Ah, that senior who everyone hates huh…
B: Yup, that’s him.

A: あれ、アイスクリームを買いに行くって言ってなかった?
B: うん、行ってきたけど、帰り道で落としてしもうてん。
A: あ〜あ。なんてことするんだ〜。

A: Hey, didn’t you say you were gonna go buy some ice cream?
B: Yeah, I went… But on the way back I tripped and dropped it…
A: Ah… what are you doing?

B: あ!アイスクリームを落としてもうた!!!
B: Ah! I dropped my ice cream!!!

A: Cちゃんからもらった餅はもう食べた?
B: うん、もう食べたで、うまかったから全部一人で食べてもうた。

A: Did you already eat the mochi you got from C-chan?
B: Yeah, I already ate them, they were really good so I ate them all up by myself!

「〜もうて」Explanation:
This Kansai dialect pattern is especially interesting because the same grammatical form can be used to express two entirely different situations.

The first usage of 〜もうて can be used to mean もらう (receive). In the case where you would say もらって in standard Japanese, you can say もうて in Kansai dialect. As in our example, いいな、いろいろ作ってもらって has become ええな、いろいろ作ってもうて。

The second usage of 〜もうて is the same as 〜しまった in standard Japanese. Remember 〜しまった is used after the て form of a verb to express regret of the action happening, OR, to emphasize that something has been done completely and throughly. In our example…

はい、行ってきたけど、帰り道でおとしてしまった。 Has become うん、行ってきたけど、帰り道で落としてしもうてん。The ん、at the end of もうてん emphasizes that the event has happened in the past.

「〜もうて」Variations:
Kansai dialect is not exactly the same in every location in west Japan. For example, Kyoto style Kansai dialect, is noticeably different from Osaka dialect, though not different to the point where the dialects cannot communicate with each other. Even within Osaka there are slightly different styles of Kansai dialect spoken. For example, “Kawachi-ben” which is spoken in southern Osaka and considered to be really tough, and rough sounding.

When I was verifying this particular pattern of もうて、I came across so many variations from native Japanese speakers that I have decided to list a few below. The meanings and nuance of the variations are the same as the original sentences.

From the examples above…

A: 見てみて、これ母に作ってもらったの。
B: ええな、いろいろ作ってもうて。
Variation:
B: ええな、いろいろ作ってもろて。

A: え!先輩がまたA子の宿題を手伝ってあげてる!
B: ずるい、あんなふうにまたやってもうて。
Variation:
B: ずるい、あんなふうにまたやってもろて。

In these examples, you can see that the verb ending、もうて、can also be pronounced もろて。This seems to be closer to the standard dialect pronunciation of もらって。

〜もうて (しまった)
A: 昨日のニュース見た?野球のこと書いてあった?
B: ええ、書いてあったで、阪神がまた負けてもうてん。
Variation:
B: ええ、書いてあったで、阪神がまたまけてしもてん。

A: Cちゃんからもらった餅はもう食べた?
B: ええ、もう食べてんで、うまかったから全部一人で食べてもうてん。
Variation:
B: ええ、もう食べてんで、うまかったから全部一人でたべてしもてん。

In these examples, the verb conjugation has slightly changed. Instead of 負けてもうてん、The 「し」presumably from the standard dialect しまった has been preserved, and the dialect もうてん added to the end. So we get, 負けてしもうてん。In the same manner, 食べてもうてん becomes 食べてしもてん。Also note, that the long “mou” sound of the dialect もうてん has been dropped.

A: あれ、アイスクリームを買いに行くって言ってなかった?
B: うん、行ってきたけど、帰りの途中で落としてしもうてん。
A: あ〜あ。なんてことするんだ〜。
Variation:
B: うん、行ってきたけど、帰りの途中で落としてしもてん。

B: あ!アイスクリームを落としてもうた!!!
B: Ah! I dropped my ice cream!!!
Variation:
B: あ!アイスクリームを落としてしもた!

In these examples, the long “moo” sound of the dialect もうた has simply been shortened to もた.

That’s a mouth full.

[UPDATE] If you’re interested in Kansai-ben, check out our Kansai-ben iPhone Application! Japanese 101: Kansai Dialect.


- Harvey

Check out these other Kansai-ben Lessons!

Kansai-ben Lesson 8 – I don’t mind

Kansai-ben Lesson 7 – Revival!

Kansai-ben Lesson 6 – with Bonus!

Kansai-ben Lesson 5 – Honma

Kansai-ben Lesson 4 – Toke

Kansai-ben Lesson 3 – Oru

Kansai-ben Lesson 2 – eeyarouka?

Kansai-ben Lesson 1 – Sora

3 Responses to “Kansai-ben Lesson 9 – moute”

  1. Heather Meadows

    Nov 30th, 2006

    at 11:09

    I love these posts! I was a linguistics major :> So even though I don’t speak Japanese, I get a lot out of this discussion :D

  2. harvey

    Nov 30th, 2006

    at 12:12

    Thanks for the comment Heather! Actually these posts take me the longest to put together, so I’m glad to hear someone enjoys them.

    I’ll think of some more interesting language tidbits to put up from time to time then :-)

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